CARF REBEL 2m
06-14-2020, 06:49 AM
#101
Hi Everybody
Well I think I am in a place where I kind of have decided what is going in the Rebel. Please have a look and let me know what you think, or if you spot any problems. Please note these diagrams are concepts only and don't show every connection or if the fuel filters are in the right direction etc.
Kind Regards
James
Well I think I am in a place where I kind of have decided what is going in the Rebel. Please have a look and let me know what you think, or if you spot any problems. Please note these diagrams are concepts only and don't show every connection or if the fuel filters are in the right direction etc.
Kind Regards
James
06-14-2020, 09:53 AM
#102
IMO, festo filters are junk, and if that uat has one of those metal filters, or any kind of filter, that's all I'd run, as the turbine itself has a 'final' filter built in and it's not difficult to change. The less fuel connections and gadgets you can have, the better - KISS.
Additionally, a 100N turbine is the bare minimum on power, lethargic, even. My friend flew one with a 100. Took it ot after the maiden and ordered a 140. I recommend the same, or at least a 120. Mine's getting a 170 - better to have the power and not need it than need it and not have it.
And those servos are pretty minimal on torque as well. I'd go 20kg minimum everywhere, preferably 23kg+.
Additionally, a 100N turbine is the bare minimum on power, lethargic, even. My friend flew one with a 100. Took it ot after the maiden and ordered a 140. I recommend the same, or at least a 120. Mine's getting a 170 - better to have the power and not need it than need it and not have it.
And those servos are pretty minimal on torque as well. I'd go 20kg minimum everywhere, preferably 23kg+.
Last edited by bodywerks; 06-14-2020 at 10:02 AM.
06-14-2020, 12:39 PM
#103
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I think your servo for the ail/rud/elev are a little weak, the PowerBox GPS won’t work connected into the CTU (ExBus only) and the PB GPS is not ExBus....I would used the same battery for the Lights and the CTU retract.....motor seem weak for a 2m plane.......
I would also not ever used a Festo fuel filter...they all eventually leak....
From the UAT I would stay 6mm all the way to the filter, slip on a Festo 4mm tubing cut flush then slip the 6mm lock wire......should have a good filter after the pump to the engine......
I would also not ever used a Festo fuel filter...they all eventually leak....
From the UAT I would stay 6mm all the way to the filter, slip on a Festo 4mm tubing cut flush then slip the 6mm lock wire......should have a good filter after the pump to the engine......
Last edited by Dansy; 06-14-2020 at 12:41 PM.
06-14-2020, 08:10 PM
#104
I think your servo for the ail/rud/elev are a little weak, the PowerBox GPS won’t work connected into the CTU (ExBus only) and the PB GPS is not ExBus....I would used the same battery for the Lights and the CTU retract.....motor seem weak for a 2m plane.......
I would also not ever used a Festo fuel filter...they all eventually leak....
From the UAT I would stay 6mm all the way to the filter, slip on a Festo 4mm tubing cut flush then slip the 6mm lock wire......should have a good filter after the pump to the engine......
I would also not ever used a Festo fuel filter...they all eventually leak....
From the UAT I would stay 6mm all the way to the filter, slip on a Festo 4mm tubing cut flush then slip the 6mm lock wire......should have a good filter after the pump to the engine......
06-15-2020, 04:02 AM
#106
Hi Guys
Firstly thank you for the advice, it is much appreciated. In all honesty, the servos and turbine size were also my areas of concern. Did not see the Festo thing coming though
In terms of fuel filters I suppose you could always use the OEM filter that comes with the Turbine. Dansy, the reason I am showing the Powerbox GPSII connecting to the CTU is as far as I am aware, you can change the second exbus port on the CTU to servo or I am hoping jetibox/sensor. I know you cant change the first one. Worse case I can run it to the CB200. On the Powerbox GPSII, there is an option on the software to change the setting so that it emits the Jeti EX Telemetry signal.
James
Firstly thank you for the advice, it is much appreciated. In all honesty, the servos and turbine size were also my areas of concern. Did not see the Festo thing coming though
In terms of fuel filters I suppose you could always use the OEM filter that comes with the Turbine. Dansy, the reason I am showing the Powerbox GPSII connecting to the CTU is as far as I am aware, you can change the second exbus port on the CTU to servo or I am hoping jetibox/sensor. I know you cant change the first one. Worse case I can run it to the CB200. On the Powerbox GPSII, there is an option on the software to change the setting so that it emits the Jeti EX Telemetry signal.James
06-15-2020, 05:54 AM
#107
Hi Rebel lovers, yes, I made the maiden and first flights in my Pirotti Rebel with Merlín 160N, but I think not was a hard plane for 160N of power and I changed to M100 and not was enough, 120-140N is perfect.
in short I will have available in my website again kerosene Tanks for Rebel 2m in 3 and 4L (new molds) and a new versión 3L kero + 1L smoke, because in new Carf planes the wing nut is mounted into the wing and is necessary insert the screw from the fuselage and my Pirotti smoke tank not is suitable for Carf version.
Regards from Spain.
Carlos
CMJETS.com
in short I will have available in my website again kerosene Tanks for Rebel 2m in 3 and 4L (new molds) and a new versión 3L kero + 1L smoke, because in new Carf planes the wing nut is mounted into the wing and is necessary insert the screw from the fuselage and my Pirotti smoke tank not is suitable for Carf version.
Regards from Spain.
Carlos
CMJETS.com
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bodywerks (06-15-2020)
06-15-2020, 07:02 AM
#108
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Hi Guys
Firstly thank you for the advice, it is much appreciated. In all honesty, the servos and turbine size were also my areas of concern. Did not see the Festo thing coming though In terms of fuel filters I suppose you could always use the OEM filter that comes with the Turbine. Dansy, the reason I am showing the Powerbox GPSII connecting to the CTU is as far as I am aware, you can change the second exbus port on the CTU to servo or I am hoping jetibox/sensor. I know you cant change the first one. Worse case I can run it to the CB200. On the Powerbox GPSII, there is an option on the software to change the setting so that it emits the Jeti EX Telemetry signal.
James
Firstly thank you for the advice, it is much appreciated. In all honesty, the servos and turbine size were also my areas of concern. Did not see the Festo thing coming though
In terms of fuel filters I suppose you could always use the OEM filter that comes with the Turbine. Dansy, the reason I am showing the Powerbox GPSII connecting to the CTU is as far as I am aware, you can change the second exbus port on the CTU to servo or I am hoping jetibox/sensor. I know you cant change the first one. Worse case I can run it to the CB200. On the Powerbox GPSII, there is an option on the software to change the setting so that it emits the Jeti EX Telemetry signal.James
Also the JETI EX is simply Jeti telemetry, I have several the GPS II and some other PB telemetry deviceS and none of the them are ExBus, in some documentation (maybe because of translations) PB seem to think that their devices are working in ExBus but in they are not and cannot be ExBus since there’s no bin file for them, they do however work fine in normal telemetry.
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bodywerks (06-15-2020)
06-16-2020, 10:28 AM
#111
Just use the JetCat filter provided. All I and my customers have ever used. Only rule is second tightening 12 hours after first assemble, the fat O ring used to overcome the moulding ridge compresses over the first 12 hours, after that it’s good for years.
06-16-2020, 02:38 PM
#113
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Hi Rebel lovers, yes, I made the maiden and first flights in my Pirotti Rebel with Merlín 160N, but I think not was a hard plane for 160N of power and I changed to M100 and not was enough, 120-140N is perfect.
in short I will have available in my website again kerosene Tanks for Rebel 2m in 3 and 4L (new molds) and a new versión 3L kero + 1L smoke, because in new Carf planes the wing nut is mounted into the wing and is necessary insert the screw from the fuselage and my Pirotti smoke tank not is suitable for Carf version.
Regards from Spain.
Carlos
CMJETS.com
in short I will have available in my website again kerosene Tanks for Rebel 2m in 3 and 4L (new molds) and a new versión 3L kero + 1L smoke, because in new Carf planes the wing nut is mounted into the wing and is necessary insert the screw from the fuselage and my Pirotti smoke tank not is suitable for Carf version.
Regards from Spain.
Carlos
CMJETS.com
06-17-2020, 12:13 PM
#118
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06-21-2020, 02:09 PM
#120
After a mishap this weekend with my viper, I am considering a Rebel as a replacement jet and have a couple of questions. I am looking for a sturdy jet with decent ad forgiving flight characteristics that I can fly around my local field (which is fairly short and not exactly smooth). I have not interested in a boom or wood jet, but am looking for a composite that can serve as my daily flier. I know that it is similar to a T1 but any help would be greatly appreciated
1. I know it is lighter but is the Rebel as strong a a T1?
2. Is it Airex construction like the T1, or is it fiberglass?
3. Does it use live hinges?
4. Does it come with hardware like the linkages?
5. How is the Carf landing gear?
6. Does it come with wing bags?
7. Is it a forgiving flyer.
Thanks,
Tone
1. I know it is lighter but is the Rebel as strong a a T1?
2. Is it Airex construction like the T1, or is it fiberglass?
3. Does it use live hinges?
4. Does it come with hardware like the linkages?
5. How is the Carf landing gear?
6. Does it come with wing bags?
7. Is it a forgiving flyer.
Thanks,
Tone
06-21-2020, 03:23 PM
#121
I have Hot and Have flown the pirotti 2m rebel and its a great flyer.
I have to imagine the carf version is that much lighter and virtually all the work is pre-done and yes it has live hinges.
gentle flyer yes
good landing gear yes
wing bags yes
hardware yes
I have to imagine the carf version is that much lighter and virtually all the work is pre-done and yes it has live hinges.
gentle flyer yes
good landing gear yes
wing bags yes
hardware yes
Last edited by Bob_B; 06-21-2020 at 03:37 PM.
06-21-2020, 04:25 PM
#122
After a mishap this weekend with my viper, I am considering a Rebel as a replacement jet and have a couple of questions. I am looking for a sturdy jet with decent ad forgiving flight characteristics that I can fly around my local field (which is fairly short and not exactly smooth). I have not interested in a boom or wood jet, but am looking for a composite that can serve as my daily flier. I know that it is similar to a T1 but any help would be greatly appreciated
1. I know it is lighter but is the Rebel as strong a a T1? Aerodynamicly, absolutely. If "strong" means more weight(and it does, on the T1, by almost 6 pounds) it will just hit the ground harder and break anyway.
2. Is it Airex construction like the T1, or is it fiberglass? Yes to both. Airex still requires fiberglass. And it has carbon fiber where needed
3. Does it use live hinges? Yes
4. Does it come with hardware like the linkages? Yes
5. How is the Carf landing gear? They are JP gear and are good. Electron are better and Xicoy gear controller a good upgrade
6. Does it come with wing bags? Yes, silver plastic bubble type, but they get the job done
7. Is it a forgiving flyer. Moreso than the T-1
Thanks,
Tone
1. I know it is lighter but is the Rebel as strong a a T1? Aerodynamicly, absolutely. If "strong" means more weight(and it does, on the T1, by almost 6 pounds) it will just hit the ground harder and break anyway.
2. Is it Airex construction like the T1, or is it fiberglass? Yes to both. Airex still requires fiberglass. And it has carbon fiber where needed
3. Does it use live hinges? Yes
4. Does it come with hardware like the linkages? Yes
5. How is the Carf landing gear? They are JP gear and are good. Electron are better and Xicoy gear controller a good upgrade
6. Does it come with wing bags? Yes, silver plastic bubble type, but they get the job done
7. Is it a forgiving flyer. Moreso than the T-1
Thanks,
Tone
Last edited by bodywerks; 06-21-2020 at 05:08 PM.
06-21-2020, 04:47 PM
#123
Answers underlined above. My buddy had one that's only 24lbs with a full uat and kingtech 160. A T-1 will be near 30lbs. It'll do 195mph, but slow down to a crawl. With a little crow, like 4-5mm, you will get AMPLE warning of an impending stall. It's truly a great jet.
Thanks,
Tone
06-21-2020, 05:38 PM
#124
Thank you guys for the answers to my questions. When I asked if it is as strong as a t1 I was referring to if it was capable of some yank and bank flying. I have seen some guys fly the hell out of the T1 and I was wondering if the Rebel is capable of the same type of maneuvers. Also, in the pics I saw on the website, it looks like the fuse is made of the standard fiberglass, not airex. I was wondering if the wings were the same fiberglass or airex.
Thanks,
Tone
Thanks,
Tone